May
11
2007

Souvenirs are tough to come by

11:49 pm — 

Fangraphs.com blogger David Appelman did a terrific post on the odds of catching a foul ball at a major league baseball game. I’d like to expand on it here.

Appelman somehow came across the fact that there were 120,946 foul balls and home runs hit during 2005 and 74,915,268 fans in attendance during the year. For the sake of argument (and more work), I will assume the figures to be true.

Using strictly these figures, Appelman concluded that 1 in 619 fans go home with a ball. But, he then recalculated on the assumption that only half of those balls are hit into the stands (not all foul balls leave the park). So his new figure was 1 in 1,189.

I’m not sure that 50 percent is quite right, though. I’d say it’s more like 70 percent of fouls hit the seats (not to mention not all homers hit the seats either…). If that’s the case, the odds of leaving with a foul ball are 1 in 884.

There is another way to get a souvenir at a game: batting practice. Not as cool as a live game foul ball, but still nice to go home with. Let’s make up some numbers for this:

I’ll say 10 players from each team take batting practice and let’s say each player hits an average of 1.5 home runs during practice (I’m trying to accommodate Pujols’ 7 and Eckstein’s 1, on a good day). That’s 15 more souvenirs per team, per game. That’s 72,900 additional souvenirs. Add that to all the 2005 fouls/HRs and there are 193,846 souvenirs. I’m also going to throw, say, 50 thrown bats into the mix (why not?). The new figure comes out to 1 in 386 fans. Remember, that’s only if you show up early enough for batting practice and stand in the outfield.

That number seems about right to me, considering it’s far easier to nab a ball during batting practice.

The last exercise I would like to do is a local angle. I’ll divide the total fouls/HRs by thirty to isolate a single team, roughly. Then I’ll divide that figure by two, to isolate home games. That figure is 2,016 fouls/HRs in a season for any team.

The White Sox total attendance in 2005 was 2,342,834 (almost league average). If you went to every White Sox game that year you had a 1 in 1,162 chance of getting a souvenir. In 1999, the White Sox had a total attendance of almost a million less at 1,349,151. The odds that year would have been in 1 in 669. Not bad.

Cubs attendance has been consistently 3.1 million over the last three years. The chance of catching a foul at Wrigley is 1 in 1,537. Pretty bad.

That is, of course, if you go to every game. I’ll take this one step further for those of you that are still reading. Using average attendance, I can calculate per game odds.

The White Sox averaged 28,923 fans per game in 2005. If there were 2,016 fouls/HRs hit in 81 games, then there were, on average, 25 hit per game. Then you have a roughly 1 in 1,156 chance of nabbing one at the Cell.

The Cubs averaged 38,753 per game in 2005, meaning you had a 1 in 1,550 chance of leaving with a souvenir.

Math is not my strong suit, so if and when you find a mathematical error here, you can feel free to laugh. Assuming these figures are all correct doesn’t mean they are 100 percent accurate from a practical sense. But it’s interesting to know.

As Appelman said, “Odds are, the only way I’ll be getting a baseball at a game, is at the souvenir stand.”

Just, out.

4 Responses to “Souvenirs are tough to come by”

  1. Jim Sokoloski Says:

    Out of all the games I have been to, easily over 200, I have only had 1 ball hit near me, a game tying home run by joe crede against the blue jays about 3-4 years ago. Unfortunately, it was a bit out of my reach and this was when the outfield used to have the cover over the space between the fence and the fans, so I was also afraid if i missed it that it would bounce and hit me in the face. Obviously, I didnt catch the ball!

  2. David Just Says:

    I have been in the seat next to a foul ball twice in my life. Once my brother snagged in the stairwell next to me. The other time my friend elbowed me in the face to get the ball. I would have done the same to him so I hold no grudges.

  3. Dave Johnson Says:

    I just saw your article from a few months back and thought you might be interested in this guy.

    There is a guy in Anaheim CA that has caught 2800 baseballs at Major League Baseball games over the past 30 years. In fact 99 of those were game home run balls. I know that the East Coast has that Zack Hample guy in NY but he BEGS for the balls that he gets catching only 10-15% of what he gets. This guy in Anaheim claims to have caught or chased down 75-80% of the baseballs that he has retrieved over the years!

    He has a website at http://www.majorleagueballhawk.com and an MLBlog at http://majorleagueballhawk.mlblogs.com

    Dave Johnson
    Boston MA

  4. The Numbers Guy : A Pair of Lucky Baseball Fans Says:

    […] To address these caveats, I convened an electronic panel of baseball experts, all, coincidentally, named David. Last May, David Appelman wrote a blog post on Fangraphs.com calculating one fan’s chances of catching a foul ball at a baseball game. That sparked a reaction from David Just, a former sports editor for the Daily Illini who graduated from the University of Illinois, Champaign, on Sunday. Their estimates were the apparent source for this line in the L.A. Times story: “Baseball aficionados have estimated the odds of a fan catching a foul ball at a typical major league game as ranging from one in 884 to one in 1,189.” I also consulted Dave Studeman, co-creator of Baseball Graphs and a writer for Hardball Times. […]

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